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Stargate Atlantis Gen Ficathon
Annual genfic festival
2012: Humor, Week 1: Stayin' Alive 
6th-Jun-2012 08:34 am
Genficathon Team Sunshine
Category: Humor
Title: Stayin' Alive
Prompt(s): [Freestyle]
Additional Content Notes: Seventies, mustaches, Humor, Action/Adventure, Team, Porn
Rating: Explicit. This gen fanwork includes explicit sexual content.
Wordcount: 13719
Summary: Trapped in 1972, John gets an offer he can't refuse, and the pornstache he's always wanted. But what happens when the whole team goes back to the Seventies to rescue him?

Story and art: Stayin' Alive

ETA 07 June 2012 2247 US EDT: Anonymous comments are now screened, because the discussion here has been linked at external locations.

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6th-Jun-2012 08:54 pm (UTC)
This fanwork is not gen by definitions of the comm rules: All stories must be gen. For purposes of the ficathon, gen is defined as "established canon pairings only, and only if not the focus of the story".

How is porn gen? There is NO WAY that porn can be considered gen, regardless of het or slash status! Even kissing on screen is borderline gen, and some would say that wasn't gen too!! If this story is not removed, then I'm sorry, but I can't be associated with this comm in future. I would ask for my fic to be removed this year, but don't want to disappoint the artist.
6th-Jun-2012 09:50 pm (UTC)
I agree
6th-Jun-2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
I don't know, I think it should counts as gen. It falls between the chairs in a way, because this wouldn't fly as pairing fic either. The sex isn't really explicit enough for it to count as an Anonymous Sex smutlet, and even though we know Sheppard is fucking a lot of guys, he's not doing it for pleasure or because of an emotional connection. He's doing it to survive, nothing else. If it had been written to tantalize it would be different, but it's just supposed to be funny.

As far as I see it, the explicit bits are just there because it's hard to convey "Porn Production" with G-rated writing. It reminded me a little of Boogie Nights in that way, and that's not really a movie you could categorize as "het" if it had been a fanfic even though the main character fucks a lot of women in it.
7th-Jun-2012 01:52 am (UTC)
But then again, it wouldn't be considered gen either. I think the problem is that the comm is using an extremely broad definition of gen. The vast majority of fans I know consider gen stories to not have any sex in them at all, whether it's alluded to or explicit. John and Teyla, or John and Rodney, can be together romantically, but there shouldn't be any physical evidence of it in the story.

I don't personally consider this story gen. I think it's a cute story, but anything labeled explicit automatically makes it not gen in my book. If I was offended by stories with sex in them, I would heed the author's warnings and skip it. However, I would be irritated that there was fic in my genficathon that I couldn't read.
7th-Jun-2012 08:50 am (UTC)
See, for me the gen tag is more about a lack of romantic connections. Sex isn't always about love or affection or even lust. Something like a rape fic, as long as it's not written to titillate, would definitely count as gen to me. Talking genre, I'd categorize something like that as whump.

In this story, John's a sex worker. Having sex comes with the territory. It shouldn't be treated any differently than if he's established a nice little plumbing business while he was stuck in 1972, or sold drugs.

Personally, I'd be more upset over a gen story with unlisted pairings, no matter how low the rating, than one with warned for explicit material.
7th-Jun-2012 11:53 am (UTC)
Hmm ... so a sex pollen fic in which John and Rodney get dosed and screw madly for a few pages would totally be gen, as long as there's no indication at the end that it'll lead to a long-term relationship?
7th-Jun-2012 12:17 am (UTC)
See, I would consider this gen. It's not about a pairing. Yes, John is having sex in it, but there are no pairings. There's no relationships. It's his job. It's not a shipfic, therefore it's gen.
7th-Jun-2012 02:19 pm (UTC)
I agree.
7th-Jun-2012 09:24 pm (UTC)
I disagree. And thanks to varda's comment below I can explain why.

Gen as defined by Fanlore:
'A fanwork that contains no romantic or sexual content, either het (heterosexual) or slash (homosexual).'

This is what Gen has always meant to me and many others such as me. The comm rule is clearly not explicit enough about this and so has opened the door for something that is not gen. Gen is not the absence of ship, it's the absence of ship and sex.
7th-Jun-2012 09:32 pm (UTC)
Fanlore is not the place to go for definitions: it's written by fans, many of whom have different opinions. I could edit that line to something else right now. More interesting is this part: Gen#Genre Boundaries , which lacks a section on background sex scenes but otherwise gives a good overview on the blurriness of the term. Your definition of gen may be popular and wide-spread in certain parts of fandom, but it's not the only one and certainly not the only valid definition.
7th-Jun-2012 04:40 am (UTC)
Oh come on - the comm's definition of Gen is "established canon pairings only, and only if not the focus of the story". Having read the fic it definitely sticks to that rule. The sexual hook-ups John has are not "pairings" in terms of ships, they're what he does to survive.
If you want a new rule that Gen only means "no sex at all please because I hate reading about sex, in fact I don't want to think about my favorite characters ever having sex at all" then that's your issue. Maybe it's the comm's issue, too, but at present that's not how the comm defines Gen.
There's a difference between "Gen" and a "G rating". Not the same things.
7th-Jun-2012 09:17 pm (UTC)
This comm was supposed to be about the Gen genre, not about ratings or pairings. As stated by varda below, the definition for Gen on Fanlore is: 'A fanwork that contains no romantic or sexual content, either het (heterosexual) or slash (homosexual).' The comm description needs to be tightened up, or else this comm is no longer Gen.

Also, I would have thought someone reading the comm definition would have realised that non-canon non-relationships are also not in the spirit of the comm - but clearly as this fandom contracts and genners become even smaller a minority, we need to be explicit in the rules to avoid this sort of thing.

Would you put a het story into a slash comm and quibble that the het is not a relationship but someone's job, and not expect the slash community to disagree?

Edited at 2012-06-07 09:20 pm (UTC)
8th-Jun-2012 01:12 am (UTC)
Would you put a het story into a slash comm and quibble that the het is not a relationship but someone's job, and not expect the slash community to disagree?

If the story was about, say, John Sheppard as a male escort and depicted him having sex with his female clients all the while still going home to his male lover, yes, I probably would.
8th-Jun-2012 12:42 pm (UTC)
Would you put a het story into a slash comm and quibble that the het is not a relationship but someone's job, and not expect the slash community to disagree?

As someone who runs a slash comm, I would allow that, as long as the act of fucking those ladies weren't the focus and it was clear from the header that the story contained het.

Title: Satedan Gigolo
Rating: NC-17
Summary: Ronon's working as a high-class escort to put himself through college, and he's struggling to keep it from his boyfriend, John.
Notes:Contains frank descriptions of male prostitution and explicit reference to Ronon/OFC

(something like that)
7th-Jun-2012 07:38 pm (UTC)
I agree. So far as I'm concerned, gen is no romantic pairing and no sex. Someone working as a pornstar...that's not gen as it involves sex.

I know there's the gen rating but I thought the Gen Ficathon was about the gen (no romantic pairing, no sex) genre.
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